VATICAN CITY — In front of rapt crowds, Pope Benedict XVI spoke of moments of struggle as well as joy Wednesday during his final public address from a stage set up in St. Peter’s Square.
In an unusually personal message, he said there had been “many days of sunshine” but also “times when the water was rough … and the Lord seemed to sleep.”
But even as the church passes through stormy seas, God will “not let her sink,” he added, in what was his final general audience before he steps down Thursday evening.
Those words will be seen by many as a comment on the series of child sex abuse scandals and corruption claims that have rocked the Roman Catholic Church in the course of his pontificate.
Benedict recounted how when he was asked to be pope eight years ago, he had prayed for God’s guidance and had felt his presence “every day” since.
“It was a part of the journey of the church that has had moments of joy and light, but also moments that were not easy,” he said.
‘Tough choices’
Dressed all in white and looking serene, the pope used his last general audience to call for a renewal of faith and speak of his own spiritual journey through eight years as leader of the world’s 1.2 billion Catholics.
Benedict thanked the cardinals, the clergy in Rome, Vatican officials and priests worldwide for their work, as well as their congregations, saying “the heart of a pope extends to the whole world.”
Knowing his strength was fading, he had taken the step of resignation well aware of its gravity and novelty, but also “with a deep peace of mind,” he said.
“Loving the church also means having the courage to make tough choices,” he said, as he called on the faithful to pray for him and the new pope.
Benedict gave an insight into the life of the pontiff, describing it as without any kind of privacy, with his time devoted entirely to the church — perhaps particularly difficult for a man known for his love of scholarship.
His life in retirement will be “simply a return to the private place. My decision is to forgo the exercise of active ministry, not revoke it.
In order to return to private life, not to a life of travel, meetings, receptions, conferences and so on,” he said.
As he finished, cheers erupted from the tens of thousands gathered in the square — acknowledged by Benedict with an open-armed embrace.
‘Support and love’
Vatican officials said 50,000 tickets had been handed out for Benedict’s last general audience — but authorities said they had prepared for as many as 200,000 people to show up to witness the historic moment in person.
Benedict, who spoke first in Italian, also gave greetings in French, German and English, among other languages, reflecting the church’s global reach.
CNN iReporter Joel Camaya, a priest from the Philippines who is studying in Rome, said it was very moving to be among those gathered in the huge plaza.
Waves of applause rose up to meet Benedict, especially when he addressed the pilgrims in different languages. “I really felt all the support and all the love, the prayers, from those who were present,” he said.
After the pope left, people’s mood was festive, with many chatting or singing, Camaya said, but at the same time nostalgic because it’s the last time they will hear Benedict speak.
“Especially for people who have got used coming here for the audience and for the (Sunday) Angelus, it’s something to be missed,” he said.
Those lucky enough to have tickets for the final audience listened from seats in front of St. Peter’s Basilica.
Among them were many of the Roman Catholic Church’s senior clergy. Others packed around the edges of the square and surrounding side streets, hoping to catch a glimpse of the pontiff.
Among the crowds were groups of pilgrims who had traveled to Rome for the special occasion, as well as local residents and curious visitors keen to share in the moment.
Benedict arrived and left in his Popemobile, allowing him to pass close by many people in St. Peter’s Square.
Standing in the glass-topped vehicle, flanked by security, he waved as he slowly made his way along pathways through the crowds. Some waved flags and banners as they stood under cold but clear skies.
Normally in winter, the pope would give his weekly Wednesday general audience inside a hall within Vatican City, but the event was moved outside because of the anticipated huge crowds.
Pontiff emeritus
The pope didn’t give the usual brief personal greetings to people afterward, but was to meet with delegations of heads of state in Vatican City.
Benedict, who stunned the world’s Catholics when he announced his resignation just over two weeks ago, will leave office at 8 p.m. local time Thursday.
At that point, a transition period will begin, as around 115 cardinals gather in Rome to pick a successor in a secretive election known as a conclave.
The Vatican has been rewriting the rules to cope with an almost unprecedented situation — Benedict is the first pope to resign in nearly 600 years.
He will meet with the cardinals Wednesday and Thursday, before being flown by helicopter to the papal summer residence at Castel Gandolfo.
There, from a balcony, he will greet crowds one last time before his resignation takes effect and the Swiss Guards, who by tradition protect the pope, ceremonially leave the residence’s gate.
More details were given Tuesday of how the 85-year-old’s life in retirement will play out.
He will keep the papal title Benedict XVI, rather than reverting to the name Joseph Ratzinger, and will be referred to as “his holiness,” said the Rev. Federico Lombardi, a Vatican spokesman.
He will also go by the title his holiness “pontiff emeritus” or “pope emeritus.”
Interference fears
Living out of the public eye in a small monastery within Vatican City, Benedict will wear a simple white robe, without the papal red cape, and will swap his red shoes for brown ones.
He is expected to devote his time to prayer and study.
Catholic author Michael Walsh told CNN he was unsurprised by Benedict’s desire for more privacy.
“He’s a rather private man. He wants to get back to his books and his cats, he wants to get back to prayer,” he said. “He’s obviously coming towards the end of his life — he’s 85 — so I understand that.”
But, Walsh added, “what I don’t understand is that he says he wants to be part of it all, which could be disastrous if you take it at face value,” referring to Benedict’s promise not to abandon the church.
“The notion that you have two people that claim to be pope, in a sense, is really going to be very confusing,” Walsh said.
Vatican officials have said they don’t anticipate any interference from Benedict as a new pope takes office.
However, his influence will be felt in as much as he appointed 67 of the cardinals who will enter the conclave.
Whoever his successor may be will have plenty on his plate, from allegations swirling in the Italian media that gay clergy may have made themselves vulnerable to blackmail by male prostitutes — a claim forcefully denied by the Vatican — to the festering issue of the church’s handling of child abuse by priests.
Scandal flared again over the weekend, as Scotland’s Roman Catholic archbishop was accused in a UK newspaper report of “inappropriate behavior” with priests. Cardinal Keith O’Brien, who contests the allegations, resigned Monday and said he would not attend the conclave.
The Most Rev. Philip Tartaglia, archbishop of Glasgow, will take his place until a new archbishop is appointed, the Vatican said Wednesday. “These are painful and distressing times,” Tartaglia is quoted as saying.
The Vatican said Monday that a report by three cardinals into leaks of secret Vatican documents, ordered by Benedict last year and seen only by him, would be passed on to the new pontiff.
Cardinals’ conclave
Meanwhile, the cardinals who must elect the new pope are already gathering in Rome, Lombardi said.
The dean cardinal will on Friday summon the cardinals to a general congregation, Lombardi said. That could come as soon as Monday, although the date is not yet fixed.
The cardinal-electors will then decide exactly when to hold the conclave, during which they will select a peer via paper ballot. The voting process will end when only when one cardinal gains two-thirds support.
After his resignation, Benedict, who cited the frailty of age as the reason he resigned, will no longer use the Fisherman’s Ring, the symbol of the pope, Lombardi said.
The ring will be destroyed, along with Benedict’s papal seal, after his departure from office.
128 Comments to “St. Peter’s Square Packed for Pope’s Last Public Address”
February 27, 2013 at 9:30 AM
Don't let the door hit you
February 27, 2013 at 10:40 AM
Your hate for Christianity, Catholicism in particular is well known.
But what evil did this man do at the helm of the Church to inspire so much animosity in you?
February 27, 2013 at 11:05 AM
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/f…
February 28, 2013 at 5:48 AM
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February 28, 2013 at 8:06 AM
huh? are you implying that all school employess and day care employess are not christians?
Your stalking efforts have failed. I am no where Ottumwa or from there
HAHAHAHAHA.
February 28, 2013 at 8:16 AM
Derp. Why'd you delete the post you sent prior to this one? You did that yesterday, too. You seem kinda dishonest, are you a Muzzie?
February 28, 2013 at 8:22 AM
um, it's KTLA thats deleting the comments.
Otherwise it would say "comment deleted by user"
Your not sure how this wroks huh por nqueen?
February 28, 2013 at 8:54 AM
Poor little man. So much hate.
February 28, 2013 at 9:34 AM
Projecting again I see roger.
February 28, 2013 at 9:39 AM
You wee thing you. Your last comment called someone a por nqueen.
Where have I called you that? You just have so much hate, it controls you.
February 28, 2013 at 7:32 AM
During the middle ages absolution for indulgences could be purchased from the Catholic Church (prevalent on the local level). It was a way for the churches to raise money and the patronage to be naughty. It seems not much has changed, where the clergy is concerned that is.
God is not mocked, they shall reap whatever they sow.
February 28, 2013 at 8:55 AM
Of course a lot has changed, there was that little thing called the reformation.
If you don't feel your church reflects Christ's teachings it's time to look for another congregation that does, and now you don't get burned at the stake for it.
February 28, 2013 at 9:00 AM
That is exactly why I am not in the Catholic Church. You are correct about the reformation movement, it was a long time coming. My comment was with regard to the apparent lack of concern for the behavior of the current clergy by the Vatican. They still need to clean up their act.
February 28, 2013 at 9:17 AM
And people are voting with their wallets.
http://www.bishop-accountability.org/bankruptcy.h…
February 27, 2013 at 1:42 PM
Here's a simple question that Roger can't ever answer. Were the crusaders Christians?
Why can't you answer that Roger?
February 27, 2013 at 1:51 PM
The Byzantine Empire was Christian, and the other half of the roman empire coming to help them was Christian as well. Were the invading hordes conquering territory Christian?
February 27, 2013 at 1:53 PM
I asked about the crusaders. Why can't you answer?
February 27, 2013 at 1:58 PM
I did, and asked you a question in return, why can't you answer?
February 27, 2013 at 2:07 PM
No you didn't. . Were the crusaders Christians?
You have already proven my point. you can't answer it.
February 27, 2013 at 2:09 PM
I did, and you won't answer my returning question.
February 27, 2013 at 2:13 PM
Still didn't answer.
the crusaders were not Christian. Isn't that right?
February 27, 2013 at 2:36 PM
Still ignoring my answer.
So the invading hordes attacking the Christians weren't a peaceful religion?
February 27, 2013 at 2:38 PM
You said the crusaders weren't christian.
February 27, 2013 at 2:43 PM
Go back and try reading what I posted.
February 27, 2013 at 2:49 PM
I did.
You said the crusaders were not christian.
February 27, 2013 at 7:36 PM
I said this.
"The Byzantine Empire was Christian, and the other half of the roman empire coming to help them was Christian as well. Were the invading hordes conquering territory Christian?"
And you have never answered the question in the last sentence.
February 28, 2013 at 1:54 AM
I know what you wrote, you said the crusaders were not christians.
February 28, 2013 at 4:34 AM
If you know what I said, how can you twist that into what you pretend it said?
February 28, 2013 at 4:45 AM
What did I twist? You clearly said the crusaders were not christians.
February 28, 2013 at 4:50 AM
What part didn't you twist.
What words said the crusaders were not Christians?
"The Byzantine Empire was Christian, and the other half of the roman empire coming to help them was Christian as well. Were the invading hordes conquering territory Christian?"
Once again you refused to answer the question in the last sentence.
February 28, 2013 at 4:54 AM
I read your comment. you believe the crusaders were not christians. I understand.
February 28, 2013 at 5:04 AM
So you read my comment and pretend it says something other than what it says. I understand.
And you refuse to admit who the advancing hordes conquering the Byzantine Empire were, mohammed wanted more credit than that.
February 28, 2013 at 5:09 AM
So you said the crusaders were christains?
February 28, 2013 at 5:20 AM
Should I have to keep repeating myself? I said what I said.
"The Byzantine Empire was Christian, and the other half of the roman empire coming to help them was Christian as well. Were the invading hordes conquering territory Christian?"
Why are you ignoring the question I asked, and why don't you want to give mohammed credit for anything? Do you just want to rewrite history?
February 28, 2013 at 5:27 AM
That comment says crusaders were not christians.
February 28, 2013 at 5:36 AM
That comment says you're sticking to this same tactic.
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Why do you keep asking me how much marijuana I smoke? I told you, I smoke a lot everyday, but I don't know the exact amount of grams.
Look at how many comments you have on your profile. You are being paid to post propaganda on this site.
Where are all the Cain supporters? Where?? By next week you all will pretend you never liked him in the first place.
It's like when you gave yourself the name Tea baggers, and now pretend you never did.
February 28, 2013 at 5:42 AM
, I agree with you that the crusaders were not christian.
No need to get angry.
February 28, 2013 at 6:17 AM
I agree with you in that you keep lying about what my comment contained. And I also agree that you probably use a lot more grams of marijuana than you can keep track of.
No need to get angry.
February 28, 2013 at 6:20 AM
So we disagree then, no problem. You believe the crusaders WERE christian and I don't.
February 28, 2013 at 6:29 AM
You can make up any alternate reality you want.
This is what I believe and what history supports.
"The Byzantine Empire was Christian, and the other half of the roman empire coming to help them was Christian as well. Were the invading hordes conquering territory Christian?"
And once again we both agree you ignore that the hostile party was islam on the march because it's commanded to in surah 9.
February 28, 2013 at 6:35 AM
If I say you belive the crusaders were not christan you say I am wrong. If I say you believe they were christians, you again say I was wrong.
February 28, 2013 at 6:41 AM
I said what I said. Why do you need to lie about my comment?
February 28, 2013 at 6:43 AM
I proved you can't answer the question. You are trapped, just like when I asked if you have a girlfriend.
February 28, 2013 at 6:48 AM
There you go clearly twisting it and lying again about what I said.
February 28, 2013 at 6:54 AM
How so?
February 28, 2013 at 7:30 AM
How much medical marijuana have you smoked in the last 18 hours?And don't go getting mad because I asked. The comment was only three sentences long, if that is far too much for you to track then why not say so?
February 28, 2013 at 7:32 AM
You said I lied, but refuse to tell me why. Maybe I didn't lie, maybe you are lying.
February 28, 2013 at 8:54 AM
Of course you lied.And you still won't answer the question.Why?
February 28, 2013 at 8:56 AM
But you refuse to tell me what I lied about.
February 28, 2013 at 9:05 AM
You lied about the content of my comment.You also refused to answer my third sentence asking a question.How much medical marijuana have you smoked? You don't seem to be very focused today.
February 28, 2013 at 9:11 AM
I I lied when I said you believed crusaders wre not christians? Or did I lie when I said you belived crusaders WERE christians. Both ways you said I lied.
February 28, 2013 at 9:20 AM
Still making up things and unable to just read and comprehend three simple sentences?How much medical marijuana have you smoked today?
February 28, 2013 at 9:31 AM
Crusaders were NOT chriCrusaders were NOT christian.
February 28, 2013 at 9:35 AM
You just can't admit the basic facts, can you?islamic militants attacked a Christian based society and they appealed to another Christian based society for help in defending themselves.Why does that confuse you? How much marijuana have you smoked today?
February 27, 2013 at 2:02 PM
And how did the byzantine empire come into power. Through war and death and murder and conquering and oppression just like every other empire throughout history.
February 27, 2013 at 2:10 PM
So, you defend islamic death and murder and conquest and oppression?
February 28, 2013 at 9:32 AM
The crusaders were not christian.
February 28, 2013 at 9:44 AM
The Byzantine Empire was a Christian based society, and they appealed to another Christian based society to help defend themselves against the invading hordes of muslims. What part of that confuses you?
February 28, 2013 at 9:45 AM
No, the crusaders were NOT christian.
February 28, 2013 at 9:50 AM
This is where you muslim friendly trolls make a mistake.
Where did I say all the soldiers were Christians? They were sent by a Christian based society. But the army itself answered to secular authority, not priests and bishops.
You don't understand secular authority, it's just foreign to you.
February 28, 2013 at 9:56 AM
So we agree.
February 28, 2013 at 10:01 AM
On the muslim invaders, probably.
Only you're smiling and nodding, I'm realizing it's a warning for this current situation.
February 28, 2013 at 10:04 AM
Muslims killing secular soldiers invading them is ok.
February 28, 2013 at 10:12 AM
No, it's not.
And you have the names backwards. It wasn't the Byzantines invading muslim territory.
February 28, 2013 at 10:55 AM
Of course not, that's crazy Iranian styled propaganda.
February 28, 2013 at 11:02 AM
It's fact.
http://www.academia.edu/318266/Cannibalism_the_Fi…
February 28, 2013 at 12:50 PM
Did you read that link?
Just because it's in the title doesn't mean it's fact, or that the piece proved it.
It just means they were desperate to get your attention and lure you into reading it.
March 1, 2013 at 8:39 AM
Your lack of historical information is sickening.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vwa73jQi87Q
March 1, 2013 at 8:53 AM
No, my historical information may not fit with the propaganda from the muslim friendly groupies. But western history has been pretty clear about things. And the red and blue mosques stolen from Christian churches backs up my historical outlook.
March 1, 2013 at 8:56 AM
No one , incuding all christian historians deny that the 1st crusades were cannibals.
Only an idiot that went to Collage of the Desert says it didn't happen.
March 1, 2013 at 9:02 AM
Of course they do.
Only someone who considers the muslim invaders as peaceful would keep repeating it.
March 1, 2013 at 9:04 AM
No one does,You are just making up lies because you weren't educated.
Name one christian or other historian that says it's not true.
March 1, 2013 at 9:33 AM
Only if you talk to people in Tehran or other muslim centers of mis-information and re-written history.
Do you deny the gas chambers in WW2 as well?
March 1, 2013 at 9:47 AM
There are no christian historians that deny the Siege of Ma'arra.
March 1, 2013 at 9:53 AM
The seige where you deny the hostile muslims tried to murder and starve the poor Christian forces struggling to protect themselves from the invaders determined to slaughter them?
March 1, 2013 at 9:55 AM
At least you are now learning about it. I like teaching you history.
March 1, 2013 at 9:59 AM
All I learned is that google didn't turn anything up on it. Did you make it up or learn about it in Iranian university?
March 1, 2013 at 10:07 AM
It on google.
February 28, 2013 at 1:09 PM
The church has to go. For the safety of our children.
February 28, 2013 at 3:18 PM
If you're worried about the children then that would be islam has to go, for the safety of the children. No more forced child brides! Ask Aisha.
February 27, 2013 at 11:09 AM
So what do folks think of the pope resigning?
Any truth to the rumors??
February 27, 2013 at 12:03 PM
Is Cardinal Mahoney allowed to vote for a new Pope? Please tell me no. He should be locked up!!!
February 28, 2013 at 3:16 AM
as Margaret said I am inspired that a person able to get paid $5586 in 4 weeks on the computer. have you seen this web link http://xurl.es/91rt6
March 2, 2013 at 7:48 AM
Look it up. now that you finally have lerned a little history.
March 2, 2013 at 10:21 AM
It was dogs and parts of soldiers, not children.
March 2, 2013 at 10:28 AM
It was children , and no dogs. They have the actuall writings from the crusaders themselves.
March 2, 2013 at 2:26 PM
Not kids.
March 1, 2013 at 10:36 AM
Yes. Try searching google with your helment on.
March 2, 2013 at 5:40 AM
Yes. kids.
March 2, 2013 at 6:13 AM
That was their favorite dinner. Kids.
March 2, 2013 at 6:26 AM
By what witness?Fiction is just fiction.
March 2, 2013 at 6:26 AM
By what witness?Fiction is just fiction.
March 2, 2013 at 6:26 AM
By what witness?Fiction is just fiction.
March 2, 2013 at 8:26 PM
Radulph of Caen, another chronicler, wrote: "In Ma`arra our troops boiled pagan adults in cooking-pots; they impaled children on spits and devoured them grilled."[4
March 2, 2013 at 8:40 PM
And others were accurate.Most said only adults and dogs.
March 2, 2013 at 11:41 PM
What others said only dogs and adults? You lying POS, respect facts!!!
March 3, 2013 at 12:00 AM
I am. How did dogs end up in that town? I thought they were unclean?Sounds like either the town wasn't what you say or the people writing were wrong.
March 3, 2013 at 12:09 AM
If you read a different account, why can't you tell me what it is? Sounds like you are lying, as usual. POS. You lost.
March 3, 2013 at 1:32 AM
Every account mentioned dead soldiers and dogs. Nothing more and if there were dogs there it wasn't a town that you say it was.Sounds like old tales that were twisted over time and simply propaganda material.
March 3, 2013 at 1:33 AM
You You lying POS, there is no sourse that ays only dogs and adults. You f g, can't even lie well. Yoiu lost. You loser.
March 3, 2013 at 1:37 AM
Of course there are, the accounts written by people there.And you still haven't explained the unclean dogs.
March 2, 2013 at 8:29 PM
Stop ignoring history to advance your false beliefs http://www.ashgate.com/isbn/9781409400325
March 2, 2013 at 8:40 PM
Dogs and adults.
March 2, 2013 at 11:42 PM
Your stupidity can't get you arounfd the facts POS. You lost , accept it.
March 3, 2013 at 12:01 AM
I didn't lose. The people's accounts I read were adults already dead and dogs.How did dogs get into a town when they weren't clean?And why did the town get left without food? Sounds like the crusaders liberated it from leaders that didn't' care.
March 3, 2013 at 12:07 AM
What acount did you read that said only dogs and adults, you lying POS?
March 3, 2013 at 1:31 AM
Every credible one. And unclean dogs in a town mean it's not the kind of town you say it was.
March 3, 2013 at 1:32 AM
Name your source you lying POS.
March 3, 2013 at 1:37 AM
Try google, and then explain the unclean dogs in that town.
March 3, 2013 at 1:49 AM
There are better sources.And they don't mention kids, just dead soldiers and dogs.
March 3, 2013 at 1:55 AM
Of course there is, starting with honest ones.And can you explain a town with unclean dogs living in it?How did that happen?
March 3, 2013 at 2:01 AM
Your 10 year old BS i only mking me hppy. i love to watch liar cught in his ow B. Then you wll sy you were joking.
March 3, 2013 at 1:51 AM
I found sources of my own, why would I believe anything you post? And people wrote about the siege, the dead soldiers and dogs.Not kids.
March 3, 2013 at 1:54 AM
You don't have a different source. You are just a f u c k i n g liar. Christian fke.
March 3, 2013 at 2:05 AM
What, are you afraid some weren't twisted over the years?And you still haven't explained the dogs. Unclean dogs not allowed in the kind of town you say it was.
March 3, 2013 at 8:31 AM
People who were there.And how come unclean dogs were in a town controlled by your side?
March 3, 2013 at 8:36 AM
What people, you pathological lying f u c k ?
March 3, 2013 at 8:40 AM
What dogs?
March 3, 2013 at 8:43 AM
You have no sourcee, you didn't even KNOW about the seige, and you won't tell me your sorce. You have no crietbility, you just lie like a rat.
March 3, 2013 at 10:33 AM
I know enough not to believe old accounts that don't make sense.Like the dogs, were they there as unclean animals? It casts doubt on the entire made up accounts.Lies always trip themselves up on the details.
March 3, 2013 at 10:50 AM
Yet you believe the accounts in the bible. Refusing to believe in the history that is otherwise accepoted by alll Christain historians, does not mean you have a different account. Lying f u c k.
March 3, 2013 at 11:18 AM
The accounts that don't have dogs around, when unclean?The ones that make more sense?Yeah, I believe those.
March 3, 2013 at 11:22 AM
Becuase you made those accounts up. They are real. You can even tell me what they are. Lying f u c k.
March 3, 2013 at 11:34 AM
You just can't stand it.I point out why those stories can't be real and yet you go nuts.Typical denial of course. Unclean dogs would never have been allowed and the first hand accounts I read didn't mention any kids.
March 3, 2013 at 11:36 AM
What account says that? You lying f u c k.
March 3, 2013 at 11:47 AM
Can't explain the unclean dogs, can you?It shows who is making things up.
March 3, 2013 at 11:46 AM
Even Princess Anna Comnena, the daughter of the Byzantine Emperor Alexius I, reported in her book [The Alexiad of the Princess Anna Comnena] how they piled up the corpses of their victims to form a high mountain. She also included a description of Crusaders tearing off the limbs of children and roasting others on fire for food.
March 3, 2013 at 11:50 AM
Really, a high mountain? Sounds like a bit of exaggeration to me.Can't you make up anything else? Like the emperor of Narnia declared all dogs unclean?